CCW 3.37: FIRST RANTS! Blackest Night #8 REVIEW and the Fall of Geoff Johns!

Posted: April 12, 2010 in CCW Rant Review, CCW Review, CCW TV, DC Comics, Opinion, Reviews
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  1. TheMSpot says:

    Great review guys, I would like to see Johns not have to push the reset continuity button all the time to,and maybe do something outside of it (continuity), or do some original creator owned work.

  2. generaldark says:

    This series did not need that sixth issue, it would have done fine without it. i did nothing for the story except gets some fanbois happy but thats it after that those deputys were just flying around watching the real lanterns do there thing. after #5 the story lost its feel to it it became a entirly new story to me that i did not like. Im not sure i like boston brand being ressurected. he became a favorite of mine during the wednesday comics thing. seeing him alive just makes me…not the deadman anymore. Nekron had SOOO much potential but was such a dissapointment. black hand had SOOO much potential and the only thing he did was shoot barbwire at people. Im on and off with the whole life begining on earth thing. honestly im not sure how to feel about it. i would like to know more about tresspaser tho. i dont know about the rest of you but i like the ant mointer and was glad to see him alive. all in all this series did what we expected it to. bring charecters back to life but not as much as we would have hoped. i wouldnt say this is a dissapointment. the ending did feel a little rushed however…still this in my opinion was a succesfull event with amazing moments and i will charish the exciting moment i had when i first saw zombie batman come to life 🙂

  3. Venom829 says:

    I was pleased with I heard online about it, and i will found out when i buy the hardcover. i might be angry, but t might all go together in one collection.

  4. pilkk90 says:

    although johns messed up the end of blackest night lets give him one more chance to fix this. ”geoff johns career rise” we maybe saying in a few months in brightest day in any good

    • DidioForever says:

      Yeah, it feels like Blackest Night was ALL just set up for Brightest Day, in the same way Secret Invasion was just a way to get to Dark Reign. But hopefully much, much better than that…Which wouldn’t be hard!

      To be honest, I’m MORE looking forward to reading a new DCU-spanning comic in the vein of 52 again than I am dissapointed with how BN ended.

      If anything, Blackest Night ended exactly how I imagined it would. We all knew Brightest Day was coming after all. But it’s just a shame that we had to wait so long for them just to take the obvious story path.

    • SMARTASS8 says:

      No offense to Jose, but I’m not going to signal the end of Johns’ career after one flawed storyline. I didn’t start hating Bendis immediately after Avengers Disassembled. Since I kinda liked him at one point, it took one shitty comic after shitty comic after shitty comic before I eventually wrote him off.

      • Sigh…could you guys not tell I was sorta joking? So disappointing. 😛

        I had to keep myself from laughing towards the end there. Note: anytime I kinda have a smile on my face it means I am mostly joking. Elliott took my quote and totally made it hyperbolic by putting it in the title of the video.

        J.

        • SMARTASS8 says:

          Whenever you smile, I always assume it’s because someone farted.

          I’m sorry. I actually thought you were relatively serious(although exaggerating for dramatic effect) since you’ve been telling us since Blackest Night #8 came out that we should be prepared for Johns and DC bashing.

          • Well, I did HATE BN #8, that part was true. Everything in this review ACTUALLY was true except for the Fall of Geoff Johns line.

            And you are correct in thinking that I was smiling because someone farted. I do find fart jokes totally hysterical.

            J.

            • SMARTASS8 says:

              I’m not a big fan of musicals but I loved the South Park movie. I used to play that CD in my car non-stop when it first came out.

                • SMARTASS8 says:

                  I’ve always found it weird that Trey Parker & Seth MacFarlane created 2 of the most offensive American TV shows that aired on commercial television and yet they are both huge fans of old fashion musicals(MacFarlane even has a good voice himself). Those 2 facts don’t seem to go hand in hand.

  5. Stamps says:

    I loved the series as a whole. Issue 5 I agree was a bad issue and the month (I think it was January) that Blackest Night skipped with all the minis was far more miss than hit, but as a whole I thought that Blackest Night was a great story that did in fact leave me wanting more so I’m pretty excited for Brightest day.

  6. Deemar says:

    I just hope…DC don’t screw up Aquaman now that he’s back, that character needs some serious TLC

    • Stamps says:

      I totally agree. I hope they do a good job with Aquaman.

      • Deemar says:

        I’d give it too Palmiatti or Tomasi

        One got me to read Jonah Hex and Tomasi kid as on GLC

        • Iqy says:

          I don’t know about tomasi. Other than GLC what else has he done which is of the same quality as glc

          • Locusmortis says:

            The Mighty and his run on The Outsiders were both excellent.

            • Deemar says:

              Oh yeah locus you need a banner for your reviews

              throw me some ideas

            • Iqy says:

              In my opinion his run on outsiders was really boring, although I do admit he’s a good writer given the right book, but I think with aqauaman they really need to take good care with it. I would give it to jms

            • SMARTASS8 says:

              The Mighty was great!

              I feel by building up Mera during Blackest Night, Aquaman is in a better place than he’s been in years.

          • Deemar says:

            Point taken, but he’s proven himself on GLC at least

            • DidioForever says:

              The BN issues of GLC had way more of those jaw dropping, well-paced action sequences that you’d expect from a main event than BN had. The scenes with mogo or when all the lanterns made that giant web? Just EPIC! Tomasi is really underrated

    • littlekingryan* says:

      I concur, as well. That character has always had so much potential, but his recent history is a joke. A bad joke, at that. Having him grow a beard and attach a harpoon to his hand is an exercise in ridiculousness.

      • kurumais says:

        peter david’s run on the book was the best run ever and probably the most succesfull
        and if you ever get a chance to read it you will see there was nothing ridiculous or bad about it
        i cant think of longer more successful run in my lifetime

        • SMARTASS8 says:

          I respectfuly disagree about the greatness of David’s Aquaman. I read the whole series when it came out and, while it wasn’t a horribly bad book, it wasn’t Aquaman. He turned Arthur into a less interesting Namor clone. Removing a character’s hand, making him as grim as Batman, and turning him into a violent headcase ala Namor just shows that David didn’t have a grasp on the character in the first place or at least felt it would be easier to change him rather than write with what he initially had to work with. David’s Aquaman, imho, was as much Aquaman as Bendis’ Ronin is Hawkeye.

          • You know Smartass, I love the fact that you disagree with about 75% of the opinions on here. And you can almost always back up your opinions with well founded thinking. You keep us on our toes. 🙂

            J.

            • SMARTASS8 says:

              I appreciate that! 8) The sad thing is I find myself agreeing with the opinions here more than I do on CBR. That and the lack of trolling is what keeps me coming back here. I still think I agree with more than 75% though. My problem is that I’m often quiet when I agree and am quite vocal when I don’t.

        • littlekingryan* says:

          My comment was not regarding the stories themselves, but rather the look of the character that I found somewhat lacking. You’ve certainly piqued my interest in those stories, though, Kuru. I like Peter David and I’d like to check out what he did during his run with the character, even if I thought he looked a bit silly in that era. I guess you called me out on my ignorance! 😉

  7. IronMuskrat says:

    Great Commentary Jose and Elliott, I think you guys already know how I feel about how thing turned out with Blackest Night.

    Some people might say that Johns was just telling a great story that happen to end with the resurrection of most of there heroes and villains in issue #8. But I also feel that there is something to be said about diminishing a great story by adding a huge do over at the end. It just cheapens everything that happen before it, even if just a little.

    Case in point..(I might get in trouble for even bringing this into the conversation, but I think it is a good example of a good story that kicks itself in the balls at the end.)

  8. Matthew Guy (mguy1977) says:

    Fall of Geoff Johns HA HA HA that’s rich.

    Seriously, I enjoyed Blackest Night & I look forward to Superman Secret Origin, The New Flash series starting up & of course Green Lantern.

    I respect your opinions a great deal on most episodes (Bendis bashing, Loeb bashing, Diamond bashing or sharing new books out to us like JMS B & B, Monster manga & suggestions on tpbs to try), however this time you both have gone way WAY of the reservation.

    Matthew

  9. vegedge says:

    they killed deadman by bringing boston brand to life. you know johns thought that irony was genius..i cant believe it. i cant wait to see what boston brand does now.

  10. Mike F says:

    Great review.

    I personally don’t like the idea of someone having to re-write character’s history to tell a story. A lot of good writers don’t do it so why does Geoff Johns constantly do it?

    Its just lazy writing. I have no interested in any more of Johns work really. Ever since his work with the Flash comic (wally west) he’s been going downhill to me. I really agree with you guys, he’s not writing a story he’s just taking character’s history and rewriting it so he can leave his mark.

    He’s like a fucking dog who just wants to piss on every hydrant.

  11. Iqy says:

    I agree with most of the points that you guys make on the review although I won’t agree with you that all johns does is ‘fix stuff’, while his recent flash run and superman origins is just fixing stuff although his run on action comics (until Robinson destroyed superman series) and green lantern, jsa is really good and that wansnt fixing stuff

    • I’ll give you the JSA one not the others:

      Flash Rebirth: Fixed Stuff
      Superman Secret Origin: Fixed Stuff
      Green Lantern (Secret Origins arc AND Rebirth): Fixed Stuff
      Action Comics (Brainiac arc): Fixed Stuff
      Infinite Crisis: Fixed Stuff
      Blackest Night: Fixed Stuff
      Brightest Day: Fixing Stuff? Probably.

      Now, I like Johns for the most part. He is just not doing anything really original anymore and until he does I will continue to call him out for doing this just like I do with other writers.

      J.

      • Liquid R says:

        His the Handy Manny of the DC universe.

        • Locusmortis says:

          Theres something wrong with consistently solid writing now?

          • No, there is nothing wrong with it. I would just like some originality every once in a while.

            J.

          • Mike F says:

            Its not so much solid writing since he has to change things around to his advantage. Take Matt Fraction, he takes a fucked up Iron man (By Bendis and Millar) and makes him good again thru new trials and original archs. Take Geoff Johns; He changed around Barry Allen’s continuity to his own advantage so he could look good and up to Johns’ standard. Its not solid if you have to change it all, because you don’t show you can really write.

            • SMARTASS8 says:

              You could say the same thing about what Fraction did with Pepper Potts in his Iron Man run. A woman who just lost her husband is all of a sudden back to having “sexual tension” with her boss. Whether it was due to Marvel wanting the characters to fit the movie’s status quo or because that’s what Fraction wanted, it was lazy writing imo (unless he expanded on it later on;I only read the first 7 or 8 issues).

              I feel Johns did similar work with Hal Jordan as what you say Fraction did with Iron Man; he took a fucked up character(he went crazy, then evil, was killed, and became the Spectre) and did such good work with him, a whole new generation of fans were created.

              I will give you Barry Allen. Johns added a bunch of shit to his origin that was unncessary and, so far, has messed up the character for me.

      • Iqy says:

        I agree with most of the comics you’ve chose but I’m not sure about the brainiac action comic selection.
        I do agree with you though it’d be cool to see him to do original but I think all the characters in dc are all so screwed that he has to go and fix them just to give a chance for him and other writers to write good stories about them. And to be honest they aren’t many good writers availiable at dc compared to marvel to ‘fix’ the characters.
        I know I sound like a rambling dc fanyboy but I don’t think there anyone availble at dc to make their characters more accessible to get new readers and old to enjoy.

      • Fallows1985 says:

        aah, Geoff Johns is the Jim’ll Fix it of the DCU 😛

        • DidioForever says:

          I don’t see how the Brainiac/Action Comics arc was just ‘fixing stuff’…I mean, yeah, that and his Legion arc brought a few pre-COIE concepts back (for the better) but really wasn’t it about setting things up for ‘New Krypton’? Which, for all it’s faults, has been as original and important a story as Superman comics generally get.

      • SMARTASS8 says:

        I feel a lot of the things Johns has fixed are either just altering status quos back to their more iconic state(Superman’s origin, Multiverse, Hal Jordan as the main Green Lantern, bringing back “classic” characters) or solving continuity errors(all of the different versions of Toyman, Hawkman, & Brainiac). While a lot of his original work I find great(Sinestro Corp, JSA), there’s definitely a lot of crap as well(Boomerang Jr started feeding kids to his dead dad before being killed himself? Yechh!!!). He’s not batting 1000, but I can’t think of one current superhero writer out there who is.

  12. Liquid R says:

    Dose anybody think that only reason the white lanter being there at the end is so they can bring more dead heros and villians back ???

    • Deemar says:

      Of course!

      That’s precisely what it’s for, a big ol McGuffin and I’m cool with it. DC now has a in continuity tool to bring back characters.

  13. Venom829 says:

    Wonder if Jose will begin ripping DC like mad, and will oddly begin to give Marvel a break, and another break, and another one… 🙂

  14. Morlock50 says:

    I think it’s a great idea to post the videos on this blog. I spend more time on it anyway than Youtube, so it’ll be one-stop shopping for me.

  15. IronMuskrat says:

    Its interesting that you bring that up Liquid R, the White entity/Lantern did appear to have the ability to rez anyone it wanted. I wonder how that will play in the future of whoever wileds the power of the white lantern.

  16. Deemar says:

    They got Dan Slott on ComicBookClub (Youtube)

    I think he’s pretty much confirmed he’s off all Avengers titles

    WTF

    • littlekingryan* says:

      Well, he was wasted on Mighty Avengers anyway. I think he’s a solid writer. I especially enjoy his Amazing Spider-Man stories. But on Mighty, I just couldn’t read it because I despise Koi Pham so thoroughly.

      • Deemar says:

        Same here I just hope whatever his next project is Marvel promotes the hell out of it, Slott deserves a solid hit.

        • littlekingryan* says:

          Agreed. As for his next project, any ideas? What do any of you guys think he would be good on?

          • Uncanny X-Men. He is the only one who may be able to save it.

            J.

          • Deemar says:

            I don’t think he’d mesh with Axel Alonso

            • SMARTASS8 says:

              I think the only thing that would mesh well with Axel Alonso is the front bumper of my car. LOL! How a douche like him, who has stated numerous times in the past that he hates superheroes, was put in charge of them is beyond me. I still remember watching a clip of Attack Of The Show around the time of Spidey’s unmasking in Civil War #2. Alonso basically shit on any Marvel fans who didn’t agree with what Millar & editorial did to Peter.

          • Deemar says:

            Dan honestly would be good for most titles although FF, She-hulk, Powerman&Ironfist and West Coast Avengers would be my picks for to do next.

            • littlekingryan* says:

              I don’t want Hickman to leave FF anytime soon, though! If they bring Iron Fist back soon, that might be good one. Although, I’d rather see Fraction doing it. How about a new Heroes for Hire co-written by Slott and Fraction. I think that would be sweetness indeed.

          • DidioForever says:

            After the way Marvel have been dicking Dan Slott around giving him crap jobs like post-OMD Spiderman and Bendisworld Avengers, I’d rather see Dan Slott on Titans, Adventure Comics and maybe even a second (post-Generation Lost) Justice League ongoing that deals with all the old Titans/legacy/JLI characters.

            • Deemar says:

              Hmm? go DC?

              Hell theres a wealth of characters he’d be perfect for.

              Boostergold & Blue Beetle ongoing was meant for Slott!

              • littlekingryan* says:

                If they team him with good artists, I’m willing to follow Slott to DC characters I know little to nothing about. Which is basically all the stuff you just mentioned, Didio.

                • Deemar says:

                  If I was Didio Dan would be black bagged, thrown into a van and dropped off at the DC offices right now.

                  Yeah he needs a good artist, what ever happened to Juan Bobbillo? He and slott worked perfectly on She-Hulk.

                  • SMARTASS8 says:

                    Slott’s Arkham Asylum mini was really good, but I feel he’s willing to put up with a lot of crappy treatment at Marvel due to his love of their characters. Although, who knows? After Cornell & Finch, it seems like DC might be trying harder to get some of Marvel’s guys than they have in the past.

        • SMARTASS8 says:

          I doubt Slott or Jeff Parker are ever going to get a strong push at Marvel while the current regime is in place. They are, imo, 2 of Marvel strongest writers who actually seem to get the characters but for some reason, JoeyQ doesn’t feel they are worth hype that Bendis & Millar receive. Bendis definitely has his fans, but the main reason his books sell is because he was either put on books that editorial decied would be the lynchpins of the Marvel Universe. For proof of that, compare the numbers on Spider-Woman, Alias, Daredevil, and Powers to House Of M, New Avengers, or Secret Invasion. Bendis is a popstar without the looks; he became a superstar due to empty hype, a strong push by the company he represents, and little actual talent.

  17. Luiz de Mello says:

    I wonder… does anyone here plays Robot Unicorn Attack (aka this http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html game)?

    When all lanterns from all corps were attacking Nekron with their rainbow light beans I totally imagined Kyle singing Always and they all making a huge robot unicorn dashing through Nekron. Man that would have been awesome!… Okay, I will take my meds, don’t need to beat me.

  18. cballsack says:

    I had to turn off the video when Elliot gave a spoiler alert. Haven’t read Blackest Night but I plan to eventually read the trade, whenever that comes out. I will say, though, I have always felt Johns is overrated. He’s solid, sometimes good, and on occasion quite good, but I’ve never been overly enamored with his work. Like last week I read the Superman: Braniac book he wrote. The only thing I enjoyed about the book were the salutes to the movie, especially Gary Frank’s art. Otherwise, it was just boring as heck.

    • littlekingryan* says:

      Really? I thoroughly enjoyed it. Especially the last issue when Supes slammed Brainiac’s face into the muck. Maybe I’m just easily amused…

      • heckimlistening says:

        I have to agree. The Brainiac arc was uneventful and just knocked off a character that didn’t need to be booted. Geoff Johns is begining to sicken me. He just destroys a character and then resets it in the same story. Nothing creative.

        • heckimlistening says:

          Of course, prior to Sterling Gates, I thought Geoff Johns wrote a great Supergirl within his Brainiac arc. Fixing why she was so fucked over from Loeb and company.

  19. DidioForever says:

    I agree with most of the review.

    Blackest Night defo had a case of “Secret Invasionitus” (It could have been a great 5 parter, especially if it all wrapped up by xmas with Brightest Day being a New Year event)

    The Deadman reveal was very cool, but it wouldn’t make sense to the actual miniseries unless you read Blackest Night: Batman and that Phantom Stranger one shot. Same with the Spectre – There was a massive double-page spread in BN#2 or 3, but unless you read Green Lantern there’s no reason or resolve for that in BN either.

    I could have also done without all those ‘Lantern subs’ (Flash and Wonder Woman etc) towards the end, which only really seemed to serve as a way of selling new action figures. How many different coloured Hal Jordans have we seen since Rage of the Red Lanterns, you know? I got really bored of all these transformations. I wouldn’t mind, but they served no purpose to the story.

    Buuuuut at least Blackest Night had all the action and gorgeous artwork of something like Secret Invasion, but none of the verbal diahrea that Bendis is guilty of.

    Nothing in Blackest Night made me sick up in my mouth, so for an ‘event’ comic it did pretty well by me.

  20. Fallows1985 says:

    I was just wondering, was it DC that came up with Brightest Day or was it Geoff Johns? I mean this has been dc’s best selling event of the year and has out sold the Siege and stuff.

  21. Morlock50 says:

    I was reading an article by one of the CBR guys, who said he thought the whole plot device of a white lantern beating back against black lanterns was perpetuating the idea that white is good and black is bad. In other words, reflecting racism in this society. I’m not sure whether I agree with this or not, but it was an interesting perspective that I’d thought I would share. I wonder if anyone here had a similar impression.

    • Fallows1985 says:

      it could be seen as that but white and dark have always been the colours of evil all the time.

    • Locusmortis says:

      That sounds like someone trying to find a problem where there is none.

    • Deemar says:

      Nope just a comic, hell ain’t Johns married to a sistah?

      • kurumais says:

        yes he is and she is really cute too i met her in philly and was flirting with her till i found out she was married she was cute and funny he has good taste in women

        • SMARTASS8 says:

          Has Johns been married more than once? I knew he was married before, but at a convention either last year or early this year, he mentioned a girlfriend. I couldn’t tell if the transcriber misquoted him, Johns was just joking, or if he got a divorce.

    • littlekingryan* says:

      I think that is an entirely reductive and uninformed–if not irresponsible–view of things, and a gross underestimate of the average reader’s intelligence. Equating “white lanterns” with white people and “black” lanterns with blacks is not only a reductive, simplistic view of things, but a totally hackneyed metaphor. Really? Things are that simple? I understand it’s being put forth as a metaphor, but could one find a simpler–and honestly, more moronic–one to use? Are comic readers so uneducated they need to be spoonfed this tripe as some kind of racial metaphor?
      The resurrected Aquaman was, however, an important social commentary on the treatment of Aquatic-Americans in our current cultural climate.

    • kurumais says:

      so if the black lanterns are black folks and white lanterns are white folks who are the other lanterns supposed to be?
      the red lanterns supposed to be native americans angry they lost their land or something?
      yellow lantern asians?
      orange lantern protestants?
      who the heck are the blue lantern and the rest supposed to be?

      i heard 2 kids who had not seen the movie avatar claim the same thing about that that navii symbolized africans and the humans white folks
      oh well what can you do

    • SMARTASS8 says:

      That’s just the PC police looking for “offensive” things where there are none. Anyway, “white people” are pinkish while “black people” are brown, so the Lantern thing doesn’t hold up with me.

  22. Edward2962 says:

    I’ve heard similiar arguments before and I usually think,”wow”…there’s so much actual racial stereotyping,sexism,homophobia etc in pop culture do we really need to invent and project it on to our psuedo-science-fiction?It reminds of back in the day when some folks said Star Wars was racist cuz James Earl Jones is black!

    • Deemar says:

      Now you gotta admit Jar Jar Binks was some suspect shit.

      • littlekingryan* says:

        Meesa saw no’s prollem with hims though, massa
        What you spek?

      • Edward2962 says:

        Ha! Believe or not I actually forgot about Jar Jar for a minute( I guess there’s something to that repressed memory stuff)!I’ll even give you the one creature (I forgot his name) the mean little guy who flew and had a giant nose.Depending on who you spoke to, he was a spoof of jews,arabs or both! But I was referring to back in the 70’s.Some ppl said that because James did the voice of Vader,the bad guy, and there were no other black actors, the movie was by default racist.

    • SMARTASS8 says:

      Star Wars can’t be racist. Lando was cool as hell!

  23. Deemar says:

    Holy shnitzel Balls!

    Joss whedon is gonna direct the Avengers movie!!

    http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/04/13/its-really-happening-joss-whedon-to-direct-the-avengers/

    link not working take yo’ ass to

    firstshowing.net

    • Edward2962 says:

      I’d be excited but he was supposed to do Wonder Woman a couple years ago? His script was approved and it was about to go into casting and production and the studio pulled the plug at the last minute.I bet it was smart and fun thus not “real” enuff for them.

      • Deemar says:

        Yeah he got the shaft on WW, as I understand it he wanted to set WW squarely in WWII.

        He seems to have a better relationship with Marvel so it might very well happen.

  24. kurumais says:

    i didnt buy BN final crisis was my final event for a looooong time but a buddy of mine lent most of the issues and it read just like an event no real substance and lots flash that were leading no where
    john hyping this thing months before it came out sounded like it was the mechanism in which all the dead folks were going to come back and all would be put right with the dcu
    so i never really looked at it as a story unto itself but reboot/relaunch button for establishing a status quo
    much like every event we have gotten since IC and civil war

  25. SMARTASS8 says:

    Who the fuck do you 2 jokers think you are trashing Geoff Johns and Blackest Night? I’ll fucking…

    …ah, who am I kidding? How can I be mad at a guy who acknowledges that, even though he enjoyed Star Trek, Nero was a crappy villain, and another guy who wears a Cubs t-shirt?

    Even though I liked Blackest Night #8, I agree that its last few months limped along where I couldn’t wait for it to end. I’m also sort of hypocritical in that, since I enjoyed where the book ended up, I didn’t mind the non-ending. If it was like Countdown, Secret Invasion, or Civil War, books that I hated, I’d be less likely to overlook that.

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