CCW 3.41: FIRST RANTS! What happened to KICK-ASS the Movie?

Posted: April 29, 2010 in CCW TV
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  1. I really dug the movie.Don’t think the studios care that much since they have made their money back.Also I don’t see how you can hate a character just because they masturbate.Pretty much every teenage boy does it.Do you hate them too?

    • Well, seeing how we all kinda do it that was the joke, wasn’t it? Hating it for the most ridiculous reason possible (when there more so many more valid reasons to hate it). I don’t understand why you guys have to take everything I say so damn serious ALL the time. Believe it or not I do joke around every now and again. jeez…

      J.

      • I didn’t take it seriously.I just thought that wasn’t a good reason to hate a character and said something about it.Sorry for not getting you’re joke.

      • SMARTASS8 says:

        I’m offended because I’m a masturbating Jehovah Witness.

        As someone who’s mistaken your humor for sincerity before, Jose, I think you’d have better results if you spoke in a British accent. I have a very dry and sarcastic sense of humor as well, but people who don’t know me often take me seriously. For some reason only Brits can get away with that.

        BTW, you were on fire in this video. Did you drink a six pack of Red Bull before taping or does ripping into detractors & trolls just get you excited?

    • Fallows1985 says:

      ever teenager that comes into Jose’s shop he gives them a look as if to say “you’re impure” πŸ˜›

    • mitiators says:

      I don’t want to see my superheroes beat off. Just because people do it doesn’t mean I want to see it. I also don’t want to see people taking shits or changing tampons. I guess some people are into that sort of thing, but not this guy.
      I want to see superheroes do heroic things.

      • Venom829 says:

        Superheroes wacking of is just wrong in comics. Nobody should see that, it’s absolutley inapropriate, and serves nothing to help move the story, it jujst makes them look like 15-year-old boys.

        • AvS says:

          But isn’t the kid in kick ass around 15 yrs old? Just saying. (pardons if you were being facetious and making this exact point.)

          On a personal note, I’m gonna go leave a shit cause I don’t take no shit. Also tampoone and masturbation, etc.

      • Edward2962 says:

        I had problems w/the Kick-Ass comic,but to be fair to the concept,it wasn’t about a guy who was noble or altruistic.It was about a lonely awkward teen who tried to be a hero to escape his depressing life.Hence,the wacking off.

      • Locusmortis says:

        I’d advise you to never read the Marvelman “birth” issue man, some things just don’t need to be shown in comics πŸ˜‰

  2. Venom829 says:

    Actually, I am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  3. Venom829 says:

    Watchmen, had a strong opening, and then fell bigtime in it’s second weekend.

    • aidan mc irish says:

      the critics loved watchmen but the people who didn’t read the grapic novel not so much. i watched it again recently top class film.

      • Venom829 says:

        I met some people who didn’t read the book, and like you said , they disliked it. I think one said it had a bad potrayal of women.

        • Edward2962 says:

          Wait…I get how some ppl said it was too long or too depressing,but how does Watchmen have a bad portrayal of women? Did that person give an example?

          • Morlock50 says:

            How about the original Silk Spectre falling in love with the man who beat and attempted to rape her across the pool table?

            • Edward2962 says:

              But that’s not an indictment of women in general.Her behavior isn’t typical of the other females in the story.It shows how in her own way she’s emotionally damaged/needy like the other characters male and female. You’re not meant to think this is the way women are cuz their gender.

              • SMARTASS8 says:

                There’s a difference between displaying groups in a bad way all the time(women, Christians, gays, minorities) and having a character from one of those groups portrayed in a bad light for one story. I’m sick of this over PCing of American society where you can only have a straight, white, thin, male with a full head of hair & no religious affiliation portrayed as a bad guy so as not to upset some rights group.

        • SMARTASS8 says:

          I don’t know about a bad portrayal of women but Malin Γ…kerman is a bad portrayal of an actress.

  4. Venom829 says:

    Iron Man 2 does loook good, and I hope I’m right, cause I don’t want to pay #8 for a junky Marvel movie, and pay #4 for junky Marvel Comics at the same time.

  5. Smallmaniac says:

    A lot of taking trolls and bad viewers behind the storage shed in this episode.

    Jose, anyone who knows the show well enough knows well enough to take whatever you say with a grain of salt, except when your completely ripping something to shreds. Then we all know you’re pissed off.

  6. littlekingryan* says:

    Yeah, Kickass certainly sounds like it suffered from Watchmen Syndrome. Not the too-faithful-to-the-source-material variety, but the marketed-to-a-niche-of-comic-fans strain. I’ll watch it after it’s on DVD for a while. Otherwise, I’m just not interested.
    J, a sycophant is a suck-up. Not someone who holds to their points in the face of reason, facts, and common sense. That’s a religious person, a fantasist, or a sociopath. Same difference. Sorry, just wanted that on the record. (smiley face)

  7. Pobra says:

    Shit, i’m still not caught up on the video segments, but I’m gonna have to find time to watch this one tonight. I’d like to hear your thoughts on Kick-Ass. I didn’t mind the movie, but too many fanboys are drooling all over Milar’s balls for it. Good to see that shit get called out. I think Millar might just be my nominee for this year’s golden Loeb. He’s really taken a lot of the heat off of Bendis lately!

  8. generaldark says:

    its really the case of what charecters people know is who they will go and see and support. those are the comic movies that will do well.

    • aidan mc irish says:

      has anyone read nemisis it really dosen’t look good considering marvels promo for it is CIVIL WAR NOTHING. KICK ASS A WARM UP WHO IS THE MOST BAD ASS CHARACTER IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE NEMISIS

        • aidan mc irish says:

          there’ a surprise is this the same mark millar that wrote superman red son?

          • Venom829 says:

            Unfortunatley yes 😦

            • aidan mc irish says:

              i thimk he’s just got lazy or he stole the red son script from someone else?

              • aidan mc irish says:

                that’s supposed to be think

              • He stole it from Grant Morrison.

                J.

              • Luiz de Mello says:

                MAN! I had totally forgotten who was the writer of that. Red Son is indeed too amazing, it is hard to think it is the same guy indeed. I see that the situation now is that either A) he stole Red Son, and probably Ultimates v1, v2 from someone, B) the current Millar is a skrull with an evil agenda or one that got a poor memory transplant C) aliens (of other kind) or Loki are involved somehow.

                Imo those are better alternatives, saying that the man declined so much in talent/taste/balls to not just make ‘what sells, even if it stinks, I just want money’ is just too sad.

                • aidan mc irish says:

                  if bendis explains what happened it will be skrull. or if he stole red son from Grant Morrison who did he steal ultimates from?

                • Morlock50 says:

                  I may be in the minority here, but I thought Red Son sucked major donkey dick. Interesting concept that basically got derailed by Millar’s “Oh, superheroes in real life would be fascist” shtick. I mean, I fucking got it already within the first 20 or some pages! I thought Kick-Ass was much better, but I think that was due to Romita’s artwork.

                  • SMARTASS8 says:

                    I think Red Son was vastly overrated as well. Not only do I not plan on ever reading it a second time, it still doesn’t prove to me that Millar has what it takes to make it as a legitimate writer. Considering Morrison even helped him on the ending to Red Son, that’s saying a lot.

  9. littlekingryan* says:

    You sneaky blighters. There’s an even newer video up at the Youtube channel already. I rarely go there anymore, but I caught it.

  10. Rob F says:

    I’m kinda interested in how Kick-Ass compared to Wanted in terms of box office returns. The reason I say this is because Kick-Ass had a relatively unknown cast in comparision. Perhaps that affects how much money the movie generates.

    • aidan mc irish says:

      definately i mean if you put Robert pattinson’s face or miley cirus then people will see that film good or not i mean twilight could just be him sitting in a chair with his shirt off and it would have made just as much money.

  11. Deemar says:

    I liked Kick-Ass it was a big turn off your brain and have fun flick.

    I understand why J hates it, but for me it was 1 good to see Nick Cage actually be badass in a movie, he hasn’t been that in a while and damn if it wasn’t funny.

    • aidan mc irish says:

      no doubt kick ass was a good movie but all i could think of when watching the film i hope they make deadpool like this

  12. Mike F says:

    This video was awesome guys.

  13. Liquid R says:

    movies like kick ass will kill any chance for non well know comics to be made in to movies,so hopefully jonah hex dose great at the box office.

  14. Liquid R says:

    and there is nothing wrong with self promotion all of us do it, that and wacking off.

  15. IronMuskrat says:

    I agree with Elliott on the need for making movies more accessible to the general public if you want them to be successful(make tons o cash). Now that’s not to say a movie like Kick-Ass or Watchmen will be better for it. I haven’t seen Kick-Ass yet so I can’t comment on what changed from the comic to the movie, but Zack Snyder Watchmen was a very faithful adaption of the source material up until the end, when he seem to change things to make the ending a bit more upbeat and happy than the original series. Did cutting out the giant space squid and giving a little more certainty about the faith of mankind help at the box office? I don’t think so, to be honest outside of comic book fans no one had a clue about what the Watchmen where all about and the changes made by Snyder probably had little affect on the movies box office success.

    I think a better example of a establish franchise being reworked to make it more consumer friendly is J.J. Abrams relaunch of the Star Trek. For the record, I am a huge Star Trek fan and I was pretty excited to hear that Abrams was directing a Star Trek movie, let’s face it, the entire Star Trek franchise was dead in the water at that time. I was surprised that the movie was going to be a total reboot, starting over with new actors playing the original crew. The Trekkies wouldn’t be happy, of course they never were anymore, but hey, I was game for a reboot.

    Then I started to hear more about the changes Abrams was making, time travel in the first movie? Altering the time line and changing the entire history of Trek? Blowing up Vulcan? Romulans running around showing their faces! Blasphemy! A friend of my from work, Steve, is the biggest Trekkie I know and he was in a rage.

    Steve: Dude! have you seen the new Trek movie?
    Me: Not yet, how was it?
    Steve: Don’t bother, it was all fucked up, it made no sense at all!
    Me: Really?
    Steve: They totally changed everything, Kirk, Bones, Spock.. they are all different now, they are nothing like they were in the original series.
    Me: That guy that plays Sylar seems like a good Spock.
    Steve: They killed Spock’s mom and destroyed Vulcan! In the first movie!
    Me: No shit?
    Steve: Yeah! and Spock is banging Uhura! And it wasn’t even Pon Farr!
    Me: That’s interesting, oh, and by the way, thanks for all the spoilers prick!
    Steve: You are welcome asshole.

    So I went to see Star Trek a few days later knowing that everything I had known and love about Trek was about to be destroyed before my very eyes. Steve was right, this version of Trek had almost nothing to do with the original series other than the names remaining the same. But the theater was packed with kids and families and they where loving every moment of it.

    And then about halfway through the movie I got it, Abrams wasn’t making a Star Trek movie for me,the 40 something fan who had grown up watching the old series, he was making it for a whole new generation of fans. The time travel and the alteration of the time line was just a big fuck you to all of Trekkie old timers. Tough love from J.J. Abrams, he wasn’t interested in appeasing the old guard, the people who count how many buttons are on Spock control panel at his station or know how to speak Klingon. nothing about this trek reboot will ever be the same, so either get on board and enjoy the ride or just have fun sitting in your house alone watching old episodes on your TV, being all lonely while all of the cool kids are out having fun watching the new Trek.

    So who won in the end? J.J. Abrams? or the original Trekkie fan base? Well, the Star Trek movie made almost $400 millions dollars at the box office. It was the highest grossing Trek movie of all time. It’s hard to argue about the money side of it, but was this version of Star Trek better than the original series? To be honest, I think that the new version is so radically different form the original series that when try to compare the two, it will just make you have a Kirk vs. NOMAD logic meltdown. I will always love the old series and nothing will change that, but I am willing to go into this rebooted Trek with an open mind and the knowledge that there is no way Abrams new Star Trek could be any worse than Star Trek Voyager!

    =)

    Damn, I think I hijack my own post halfway through!

    • littlekingryan* says:

      Yeah, I liked the new Trek. I’ve never watched the original series, my introduction to the mythos began in the early-mid eighties with the second and third movies. I remember going to see The Voyage Home in the theaters. I still like that movie. Of course, having grown and been seasoned a bit by the harsh winds of pop-cult change, now Wrath of Khan is my favorite. TNG was good. No patience for DS9 or Voyager. Saw a bit of Enterprise. But I’m liking this new version…I think we all win, really. I’m glad the status of the franchise has been raised substantially. There are so many more stories that can be told, and they seem to stand a better chance than ever of being treated in a respectful manner. Or at least having tons of money thrown at those who are enlisted to make them.

    • SMARTASS8 says:

      I’m not a Star Trek fan but I thought Abrams’ movie sucked. It’s not that it wasn’t made for Star Trek fans, it’s that is wasn’t a good movie. Its plot was full of holes, some of the “humor” was cringe inducing & didn’t jibe with the tone of the rest of the movie, and the villain was bland as fuck.

      • IronMuskrat says:

        For me the weakest part of the movie was Nero. I just never bought into his anger, I don’t know if was Eric Bana or just the script. It doesn’t help that the movie fails to explain fully where Nero went between the time he attacks the Kelvin and his attack on the federation Fleet. That’s not really a nitpick, it a pretty major plot hole. 20 years or so is a pretty long cooling off period for even the most pissed off villain.

        • SMARTASS8 says:

          According to Orci & Kurtzman, it all makes sense if you read the Star Trek Prequel comics from IDW. You shouldn’t have to read a fucking comic in order to understand and/or enjoy a movie.

          • IronMuskrat says:

            Agreed, I am all for the whole multi-media experience. But if I am paying $10 + snacks to see a movie I shouldn’t need to buy primer material to get the whole experience =)

            • tomstewdevine says:

              I didn’t need a comic to understand the movie, I got it first viewing. As you said I.M. this movie is for the next generation of viewers. I enjoy watching TOS and I’ve seen all the movie’s and enjoyed them all, but this latest one is a fresh fun update, and it’s a movie that I want to watch multiple times unlike most movies that have come out lately. I’m excited to see where it goes from here.

  16. mbell028 says:

    hey when’s the next chatroom talks going on and where’s the link? thanks,
    Matt

  17. SMARTASS8 says:

    Speaking of superhero movies, how do we feel about Thor?

    I’m not a fan of it but if you’ve seen “Thor” in Star Trek or a little seen movie called Ca$h, you know we’re going to be getting Channing Tatum level acting from him to begin with. Bring on “Pinecone Cap”! (big ass eye roll)

  18. IronMuskrat says:

    Well, he’s got the right look, but that Tupperware armor is painful to look at, I hope they can touch that up later to make it look more like actual metal.

  19. aidan mc irish says:

    when i first seen it looked a bit plastic but it still looked good and a lot more modern.

  20. Morlock50 says:

    Jose, your expression of defeat when Elliott asked you if you’ve seen Kick-Ass is priceless. Good points about the movie in this video, guys. I mean really, if you’re going after the widest possible audience, then why make a movie with an 11 year old girl is stabbing people in the eyes and drops the c-bomb? How many moviegoers really are going to want to see this besides fanboys and genrehounds like us? More teenagers are probably going to see the remake of Nightmare on Elm Street. I think most of us, myself included, really thought this movie was going to be wildly successful, but maybe the tastes of CCW viewers are just out of step with the mainstream (which is fine by me btw; fuck the mainstream! As long as the shit I like keeps getting produced, I could give a rat’s ass if the public likes it. I’d rather turn on people to underground shit that I like on an individual basis anyway).

    • I did think the movie was going to be successful. I really am glad I was wrong just this once.

      J.

      • Morlock50 says:

        On the subject of good movies, I decided to have an Asian cinema day today. Saw 2BRK, Ichi the Killer, Suicide Club, and the first twenty minutes of Tokyo Gore Police! I predict some vivid dreams tonight.

        • Holy shit. You watched all of those today!? What did you think of them?

          J.

          • Morlock50 says:

            They were all good in their own way. Ichi was probably the bloodiest movie I’ve seen in a while; really earned it’s infamous reputation (wouldn’t Kick-Ass have been so much better if Takashi Miike directed it?) 2BRK was fine–who doesn’t like a movie about two hot asian cuties trying to kill each other (I think I recognize the redhead–was she in So Close?). Suicide Club was probably the best of the bunch–very creepy and a smart satire on popular culture and teen suicide. The parts of Tokyo Gore Police I saw look fucking crazy, but I’m up to the part where they present the lead character with a birthday cake.

            • No, that actress wasn’t in So Close. Suicide Club is a fucking trip. If you liked it you should check out a movie called Noriko’s Dinner Table. It’s by the same director and is kinda a pseudo sequel. It’s supposed to take place during the events of Suicide Club.

              I love 2LDK. It starts out as a normal, odd couple flick and then just goes insane. There is a companion piece to 2LDK. It’s called Aragami and is directed by Ryuhei Kitamura (the directer of Versus). The two director’s took on this “Duel” challenge to make two different movies but used the same basic concept. It’s pretty interesting to compare the two movies after seeing both. Aragami though is about a Samuarai in feudal Japan.

              And Ichi is…well…Ichi. Nothing quite like it. πŸ™‚

              If you liked Tokyo Gore Police I would suggest looking for the movie Machine Girl.

              J.

              • Morlock50 says:

                Thanks for the recommendations. I just finished Tokyo Gore Police. What a fucking crazy, brilliant movie. The entire scene in the S & M club made my jaw drop to the floor. And I’ve never seen anything like the final fight with the quadruple amputee. If I didn’t start blogging on CCW, I would never have heard of these great movies.

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