I just downloaded this to my hard drive. I LOVE this vid. Very professional. Thanks so much for posting it.
I will admit to posting this for selfish reasons but you’re welcome none the less.
Well, if you HAVEN’T seen this site, I might just make your evening with this link:
I haven’t delved too far… But the front page looks thorough to say the least. 🙂
Hmmm…yes. This is relevant to my interests. Thank you.
What would a booty call be? That cloud?
He he, probably. If you would like to photo shop a “booty call” into this pic I will gladly replace this one with your’s.
Just about to watch A Single Man again. Really awesome flick. I know you dug it, right J?
I totally dug it. I’ve watched it three times already and picked up the soundtrack last week. 🙂
Dude, the soundtrack is epic. We play the trailer at my store off and on throughout the day. The tune that’s featured in it just makes me feel like something huge is about to happen.
I don’t know how I feel about the announcement of David Finch’s “The Dark Knight” or whatever it’s called.
Yeah, he’s going to be the writer/artist of his own Batman title.
Jesus, I’m fucking fried. Second night in a row I did this shit. I thought you wrote David Lynch.
If he can bring the same energy to Bats as he did for MoonKnight, I’m sold!
If the writing sucks, then at least I got a purdy picture book. 🙂
I completley agree, but Finch has said the main reason he wanted exclusive DC was BECAUSE of Batman 🙂
You like that guy right ballsack? You’ll love it I am sure.
It’s like DC thinks that comics don’t need REAL writer’s anymore. What the fuck is up with that? And since I don’t care for Finch as an artist I will be passing on this one.
I feel like the 90’s are returning to the comic industry lately for some reason. Is it just me?
Man, we have been talking about this for a while in the vids. It’s not just you. Shit is out of control and by “shit” I mean Marvel.
Running a muck.
I fucking hate Deadpool. The movie is going to be shit. The character is shit.
AND! The 90’s are over. I wish Marvel woke up.
Not as long as Joey Q is running things.
If Ryan Reyonalds is Deadpool throughout the ENTIRE movie, than I would believe he would do a very good job at the roll.
I’d rather see Reyonlds play Barry Allen. Fuck Hal Jordan AND Deadpool 🙂
I can’t stand Deadpool either… So much so that I stopped buying his books years ago.
Have any of you guys read Geoff Johns’ Avengers stories? I’ve been reading some of them recently and it’s pretty good.
I have. I thought they were decent. I really liked “Red Zone”.
Yeah I just finished Red Zone yesterday and I loved it. So many great character moments. Oh, and the villain got his butt handed to him. In a recent Avengers book? Who woulda thought??? 🙂
A by the Black Panther and the FALCON no less!
Ok, so right now I’m reading Turf#2 both half-awake and half-asleep… I think I should go to sleep now…
Ya, you really need to be fully awake to read that. 🙂
I just finished the part where the alien robot saves the guy from the vampire… and then I get to a few pages with a lot of talking. A lot. Yeah, I think I’m gonna call it a day now. 🙂
I think I’m going to pick up Sweets #1 tommorow. Looks good.
Okay Jose… I spent all day writing blog posts and articles for my new blog… and I’m still learning all the cool little things I can do and shortcuts for layouts, etc.
Out of the 11 posts I have written, I have mentioned CCW*TV or the CCW*TV Blog in NINE posts. Are your ears burning?
I know it’s early in our bloggingship– but I gotta know… Does this qualify me for sisterhood?
It sure does.
Browsing buy.com earlier they’re selling Sweet Tooth volume one for $5. I’m def going to order this next week when I order Revolver and Scott Pilgrim volume 6 for some reason it says on the site they don’t come out until next week.
$5 dollars? Consider it purchased!
Scott Pilgrim #6 comes out on 7/20. A lot of times places like Buy.com and Amazon get their trades anywhere from 1 to 3 weeks AFTER comic book stores. (Every once once in a long while– they’ll get a book before your comic shops.)
Sadly, I don’t think I can wait that long for Scotty. I’m a sucker.
But 7/20 (next Tuesday) Scott Pilgrim’s release date everywhere (bookstores and comic shops). Anything else would have to be, um… otherwise obtained?
Does anybody know of a great Manga news site that also has reliable reviews? Nothing too deep for the Manga newbie here, please. (In other words, I don’t read Japanese. Let’s get that understood up front.)
And along those lines… Jose do you have an opinion on “Berserk”? 😉
They have it all
Berserk is a very long, dense, action filled series. I never bought it but I’ve occasionally read it at Borders.
And you liked it or not? 😉
My guess if it ain’t worth buying, it ain’t worth reading? (I know, old school right?):-)
Mike thanks for reminding me. I’ve seen how long the series is– so buying these books would be a major dent financially. Since I’m relying on you guys to recommend Manga stuff to me– if there is something better out there… Please let me know.
God, that just sounded so pitiful. Somebody get me my gun!
Hah, well its not bad. Its a lot more dense and thorough than GANTZ is. But don’t over look it. You might like it a lot more than me, and I don’t have anything against it either. I’ve liked what I saw.
Understood, Mike. Thanks!
IM, what kind of manga do you like? I dont like some of the artwork cause its too hard to understand whats going on. I like more details, like Appleseed, Akira, Buddha, Pluto and Monster. Some of those other popular titles have this very sketchy, busy artwork(for lack of better words).
One of my favs is Eden: Its an endless world. Very raw post-apocalyptic story.
I like the more detailed art too hack/slash… That’s why I am depending the fine people here to help me figure this out.
I will definitely check out Eden. Thanks for the tip. 🙂
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I’ve only read the first 3 volumes of Beserk. It was alright. Kinda didn’t care for it. It’s sorta like Fist of the North Star…with a huge sword. That’s my opinion anyway.
Oooooh… no. Thanks! 🙂
It gets better as the story progresses.
the emmies and the harveys nominations came out
i dont care who wins so much as who is nominated
h jon benjamin was nominated for a an emmy that made me smile
Video game thread? I’ll dish out some epic battle music, who dares challenge me???
Anybody else smell a major flop?
I smell a flop as well.
Huge stinky flop.
It has the chance to be a “flop” BUT i think it will be a good film.
I will be going and I’m sure I will enjoy it (then again I like the Punisher: War Zone movie), but to a larger audience this picture look’s very hokey.
To a larger audience Agents of Atlas looks hokey. What the fuck do they know?
I agree, Jose. It’s got a lot more in its’ favor than most flops. 🙂
i dont know whats more embarresing, the set, the costumes or how serious the actors are taking this…
Hey do any of you guys know if any of the other Vertigo series (100 Bullets or Dmz) will be collected in a hardcover format like Y the Last Man and Preacher.
My bet is, it will not be within a year from now. DMZ even longer as its still ongoing.
FABLES is being collected in hardcover now. Ist HC is out already. If you haven’t read it GJ– you should! Highly recommended.
Even though it is not a Vertigo book… I always think of Brian K. Vaughn’s Ex Machina as a Vertigo title… and there are several deluxe HCs for that EXCELLENT BOOK too.
new superman comic was pretty sweet i thought. the new batman was interesting. basically told us stuff bruce knew bout already. tony daniels art got worse throughout the issue. i wish it was consistant with R.I.P at least that wasnt as bad.
I expected TD’s art to suck, btw, R.I.P. was hard for me to finish cause of the art, but at least the Morrison script helped me get through it.
for me it was the last issue that began to piss me off with him in rip. but yes morrison is what can get me through anything lol, he most the time chooses a good artist to set the tone he wants his story to go.
I understand why he’s doing this 2-part arc with TD. If it was my choice, I would probably pick someone like Mahnke, Finch, Reis, Kubert, or you know soomeone who’s actually good…
What I really want to see is what Grant Morrison does with Damian when Bruce returns.
i love how we all hated him in batman and son to becoming one of my favs in comics.
Yeah, I know, he was immediatley outed as one of the biggest douchebags in comics, he becomes Robin, all of the sudden he’s likeable, lol 😛
“i was expecting scary, not gay” lol best line from him i heard.
My favorite Damian line is when Mr.Pyg finishes dancing in front of him and he says,”You just redifined wrong”. I laughed so hard when I read that.
Some awful head drawings in this one…
this just looks embarassing……
Except Thor, he’s the only one that looks cool
meh, hes better then the other 2
We all know what my opinion of Thor will be, so I’ll stick to the movie.
Uh…. don’t know anything about it other than Thor = Hawtness.
Ha, this is really funny. This movie is going to Bomb if the previews, outfits, and sets are all this cheesy.
I know somebody who said the EXACT SAME THING about the FIRST Star Wars movie, Tom! 😉
You know what is worst than my photoshop-sense tingling a bit stronger than I would like? It is that the photography is bad.
It is bad as sample ‘scene’ from the movie (there is no sense of movement/action, nor is there anything particularly cool and attention grabbing) and it is bad as a promo photography (again, it doesn’t look anything near cool, and there is either no significant subtext, or the execution was very bad).
Hopefully the actual Movie is better, but ye know,if they are going to leak/tease/hype, they should at least do it with decent material.
It looks pretty cool, suprisingly I see a lot of Kirby in the designs.
THIERRY HENRY IS A NY REDBULL!!!
juan pablo angel plus henry we might have something
Has anyone seen the perverted preview of Birds Of Prey #3?
Wasn’t Gail Simone a GOOD writer at one point? When’d things change?
Ed Benes! His last issue, thank goodness 🙂
I first noticed that Gail SEEMED to be running out of talent around the time she started writing her “Welcome to Tranquility” series for Wildstorm. It was charming at times (the first few issues were good) but it took a quick dive and never really went anywhere. In the modern comics world– this could have been almost ANYONE’S FAULT– Gail, the Editor or DC’s Editor in Chief.
But then her GEN 13 run (around the same 2007/2008 time frame) REALLY SUCKED DONKEY BALLS.
After that she wrote “Secret Six” & “Villains United”– which were only “OK” imo.
I may have been one of the few but I never really sparked to her “Wonder Woman” run either (weird, because I used to like ALL her stuff)… Which drove me BATSHIT CRAZY because the way she had always talked about WW being her “dream book” to write– the pinnacle experience of her career– I expected that when she finally DID get the job that ANGELS WOULD WEEP AT THE SIGHT OF HER FIRST SCRIPT.
Didn’t happen… at least for me. But then again, I’m no “angel”. 😉
i love secret six one of my favorite books going right now
just read 2 of her ww trades not bad but i have a few bones to pick with this whole ambassador of peace thing
Just finished reading Walking Dead #74 and in the back in the Fan Letters a fan asks Kirkman what books he is enjoying Kirkman replies with books like Demo and Ex Machina, but he also threw in Nemesis and Kick Ass.
Anybody else surprised?
NO, Robert knows when to kiss ass AND kick ass. If you can do both at once– why not? 😉
He he, should give Mark Millar a lesson or 2 in that department 😉
Speaking of Millar, I saw the preview for the next Ult. Avengers series, and at least 4 or 5 of 6 pages were blacked out with the warning: ” Too violent to show”. I was so not shocked by this, since it’s Millar, and secondly, he’s doing the book with Steve Dillon, and he can draw some pretty intense stuff.
As much as this may bring on the HATE… I really, really like Steve and I really, really like his art… So… Oh, shit… I’m not typing THAT– so it will on the internet forever.
Oh no you didn’t, lol, you know what else that I personally find funny myself, I’ve been checking out blogs that have posted the Tony Daniel on-going on Batman news, people are PISSED, I mean LIVED, Finally it’s not just us, I’m having a GREAT DAY! 😛
This is enough to give me a heart attack:
Well that just sucks…..but atleast Scott Snyder will be taking over Detective Comics
Jesus, DC. Make the pain fucking stop.
You’ll like the reception this is getting Jose, very CCW’ish 😛
Wow, I mean damn. Why the fuck wasn’t this the 700 issue? It has (spoiler) Bruce! It has SOME appeal! Damn, anyway yeah, Grant Morrison once again mind fucks us all by revealing what’s basically his intentions with RIP, FINAL CRISIS, and the whole Bruce Wayne in time act. I gotta say, Grant, you truly are a gifted writer.
I’m proud to hear that Mike!
Didn’t read it Spoil Please.
I would find them online for you Dee, but I don’t think Jose would appreciate that…
Yeah best not to do that.
If you get a chance, pick it up man. I haven’t picked up a Batman title in a few months since (I was just getting bored) but this man… really makes up for the wait. It just really makes me feel good to know that Grant DID in fact have a master plan since day one of his events. Seeing it all come together really has some magical feeling.
However, I don’t think any other writer could of pulled this off. I mean, Morrison probably lost a lot of fans along the transition considering the fact that it was a long wait to get to this point (Over 2 years I think?) but I think anyone could get 701 and move forward without being too confused.
Mikey ya’ word is good enough its a done deal.
Grant pulled it off huh?
I’ll have to wait for the trade, and then wait for my library to get it, if they even order it…
Cash flow low?
No comic shop in my city, I rely on the internet for up to date comics.
this is why its better to judge morrisons storys when there complete and not by issues.
EXACTLY, but I really want Jose and Elliot to review this issue, since it has an established writer on it, and the buzz on the CCW boards about Batman #701 is positive 🙂
i rather them review B&R. see what there opinions are on it now that “season one” is rapping up.
The one I would particulary want them to review is the final one #16.
The feeling is so strong man. Once you hit that last page, its like “wow” Morrison really knows how to deliver a long epic story. To be serious tho, its taken a long time. People probably wanted to give up by now, which makes sense but for those who stayed committed, they won’t be disappointed.
How does everyone feel about this?:
Very kewl. I like this news.
I really like American Vampire, glad to see Scott getting a shot at a major book. I might start reading Detective Comics again.
I will defiantly be picking this up. I haven’t read it since Rucka left.
With Atlas sadly being cancelled looks like I’ll be picking this up. I read the first issue of American Vampire and enjoyed Snyder’s story. I hope his run on Detective is just as good. Very cool news.
Alright I’m gone just a quick wassup to my peeps.
We humbly await your return, Master D. 😉
Jose, I’m glad you finally got it! If there is anything at all wrong with it (size, etc.)… They will exchange it ABSOLUTELY FOR FREE.
Jose have you or Elliot ever read Savage Dragon?
I read like the first 80 issues or so.
MM4ever… I just bought all the trades… and had a conversation with Erik Larsen about this. If you decided to buy the trades, volumes 12, 13, and 14 were NEVER printed. You miss around 15 to 20 issues of story.
Not a big deal to some… And I went ahead and bought them anyway. (Haven’t read the yet… BUT I WANT TO.)
Hey Elliott and Jose,
Is there any chance that we’ll get a video review of Grim Hunt and more specifically Amazing Spider-Man #637? There’s some awful stuff in the last issue of that arc and I’m sure that it would provide you guys with more than enough fuel for an epic “last rant.” Either way, keep up the good work.
I stopped reading it after Part 2. I’ll check out the new issue though next time I go to work.
I don’t know how good the movie will be, but the creators of ‘Inception’ have put out a online comic Prequel for the movie.
Not the best art or even writing, but hey! It’s free right =)
I have faith in Chris Nolan, so I hope it does excel very well.
anyone pick up hellboy the storm yet?
great stuff. after this trilogy is done we get mignola back on art :)!
Anyone else pick up Officer Downe?
No. But I did look through it. Kinda like old school Geoff Darrow, no?
That’s pretty much why I picked it up.
How was the story?
Ridiculous, over the top, probably one of the funniest things I read all week next to the comments about Tony Daniel returning to Batman. If I wrote a story about a unkillable cop this is how I would write it. Its like Judge Dredd meets Big Guy.
Might have to check it out then. Thanks.
Prepare for Damian to be killed off because he’s joining the Teen Titans. He He.
Teen titans being killed off.. WHAT?! That like… Never Happens. (Especially for pure shock value!).
Just read the latest issue of Ult. Spider-Man. I really might drop this, which really saddens me because I own all of the series in trade. It’s just not enough for 3.99$, I don’t think Bendis is focused on it anymore. I mean this whole story was done before by Van Lente a couple months back in ASM… Sorry for the mini-rant I had a need to tell someone.
Rants are always welcome here AM.
I’m really tempted to post a video of an… “offbeat” rant but I will resist for the concern of my fellow Comic readers. 😉
Marvel being Marvel with all characters that have movie deals they roll out the new minis and ongoings, and it’s no different with Captain America. That Maberry mini does interest me though.
Yeah that one seems pretty cool based on concept, and I’ve heard Maberry is pretty good.
Doomwar is a great read. I am looking forward to anything Maberry is doing. Even his new Punisher mini sounds good.
Yeah, I’m looking forward to that one too because that is the story he pitched before Doomwar.
I can’t wait for Doomwar to hit the trade!
Doomwar is great, and it’s even more satisfying when you have to battle your LCS at every turn to get the books…
“Sold out again? really? Can you get me one from the Saginaw store? Next week? OK, cool.” (repeat this every week, for all 6 issues)
Pull List man, Pull List.
True enough, but I have been avoiding committing myself to a pull-list..
I hate commitment =)
Fuck, I’d find a WHOLE NEW STORE. 😉
Man, it’s been a up and down week. Apparently, Tony Daniel can’t die, but Scott Snyder is writing Detective so there’s a bright spot.
And there i9s more excitment for Snyder, compared to the anger for Tony Daniel on Batman.
I think the title says it all:
I guess Atlas is cancelled with #5? Damn shame.
Ya, it is. We’ve been talking about it over here.
Oh, figured ya already heard.
Awfull lame on Marvel’s part.
Interview with Jeff Parker concerning the end of Atlas.
I guess M. Night Shyamalan is allowed to release more of his shit after The Last Airbender and The Happening. Why is this so?
I think he’s made the appropriate sacrifices to the gods or those knee pads he bought are coming in handy.
Don’t despair, his day is coming, Jose. Don’t despair.
Why is it so? Because, believe it or not– The Sixth Sense made a SHIT LOAD of money. Yes, Hollywood is STILL letting him bank off that moldy extended Twilight Zone episode. But that film was so surprising a hit… They just keep funding his shit… Always in the hopes that his next dump will be another BIG BLOCKBUSTER.
My sickness will set in if he ever does SCORE like that again. One more MONSTER like Sixth Sense and he’ll basically never go away.
Good news: I really don’t believe he has another such idea in him. If he did, he would have pulled it out of ass by now out of sheer desperation.
What’s your opinion of these fucks?
That trailer is typical of their shit stains.
You have thought up funnier stuff taking a piss. Made low budget– these cancerous polyps make a modest return… That’s why they keep getting work.
Unfortunately, this genre also plays well repeatedly on cable– especially late at night to undemanding drunk fuckers. Pay cable likes to play the HIGH BROW– but we all know what happens on Skin-e-max After Dark.
This type of film is really an art form and no one’s made a decent one in forever. I’ve tried to watch some this dynamic douche-bag’s output on cable… and always have to turn it off after 5 minutes.
I have better things to do. Like rip out my toe nails.
Friedberg and Sletzer movies are pretty painful to watch, as much as the whole Twilight phenomena needs to be mocked, these are not the guys to do it.
The laughs in their movies are few and far between and anything remotely funny is usually thrown into the trailer in an attempted to fool people into thinking the whole movie is funny. So if you have seen the trailer, you have seen all the good parts already, save your money and wait for it to come on Syfy for free =)
I sat through that Epic Movie and wanted to kill everyone involved in making that peice of shit especially freidberg and seltzer. With the exception of Kal Penn.
How did you even get yourself into such an horrid situation?!
Back in 2007 I was stupid enough to think it was going to be a funny movie.
he he, I was forced to sit thru G.I. Jow once with my friends who they all thought it was enjoyable (wtf?)
call me crazy but I thought G.I. Joe was okay.
Oh no, they’ve got you too, lol 🙂
As I heard someone say;”The Last Airbender?..I hope so 🙂
Two hours of people crying and screaming in a elevator.. pass.
Ok, let me guess the twist. It the elevator that’s the Devil, and they are all dead, taking the elevator to Hell! But it never gets there, because it’s a Devil elevator! and it plays lady Gaga music for all eternity! Muhahahaha!
WHAT A TWIST!!!
I can take Lady Gaga in small doses, but NOT eternity!
Slowly catching up on the Preacher and Walking Dead series. Bought The second volume of Preacher and the massive Walking Dead Compendium. Great stuff
Also got the second volume of House of Mystery from Vertigo. I really enjoyed the first trade.
Aw, man. Preacher is AWESOME. I went through all of those trades in a week.
Preacher is definitely one of my all time favorite comics. Right up there with Y the Last Man
Anybody read Steve Rogers: Super Soldier last week?? Eaglesham’s art is really good and its Brubaker writing Steve Rogers. Definitely one of my favorite books that came out last week.
That review will be the next video to go up I believe. Probably tomorrow.
Read it dug it.
Best book for Eaglesham
That Walking Dead Compendium has a reserved place on my coffee table. My girlfriend started reading it and she is hooked.
Where the hell are Deemar and CBallsack tonight?
This guy has awesome articles. Here is his latest.
I Can’t Believe My Favorite Book Got Cancelled!
This week we got the news that Atlas – the freshly re-launched Marvel series about a band of 50s do-gooders brought into the modern era – has been cancelled as of Issue #5. This isn’t the first time a Marvel series has suffered a quick exit in recent memory:
* S.W.O.R.D. cancelled after the first arc
* The Order cancelled after 10 issues
* Doctor Voodoo cancelled after an arc
* Captain Britain & MI-13 cancelled after 15 issues
In each of these cases, the books were (in my opinion) well written, deviated from the normal formula that’s so commonplace in mainstream superhero comics, and were beautifully illustrated. And in each case the sales just weren’t there to support the book.
Atlas is a title near and dear to my heart, and it’s my love for that band of characters that led to my becoming friends with Gabriel Hardman (the artist on Atlas) and friendly with Jeff Parker (the brilliant writer). I loved this series. I own several pages of original art from Atlas-related books (yes, this page is hanging on the wall of my comic room). This is a series I didn’t want to see cancelled. But I wasn’t surprised to hear that it was.
But no matter what the sales of a book may (or may not) be, chances are it’s a favorite of SOME group of comic book fans. And we fans have armed ourselves with voices. So when the news hit that Atlas was done after just one arc, it didn’t take a lot of work to find angry Tweets and disappointed forum posters and the requisite lamentations of podcasters. So the perception might be, to some, that these books had a stronger base of support than they really did. But here’s the thing folks (WARNING: I am about to put my “SUIT” mode on)…money talks. It’s perfectly natural to want to blame someone because your favorite books got the ax too soon, but if the sales aren’t there (and they weren’t in the aforementioned titles), it just doesn’t make sense to continue.
But what you rarely see is a writer willing to come right out and speak to the economic realities of a mainstream book. That’s why I need to tip my cap to Jeff who not only made the decision to end Atlas (yes, he wasn’t forced into it by the Marvel higher ups), but spoke to Comics Alliance about his rationale.
Q: Does Marvel really have a higher minimum sales expectation compared to DC before a book faces cancellation?
A: Neither Marvel nor DC make their publication decisions known to the public, with good reason. So it’s hard to say with certainty that what Jeff is saying is true. But empirically, we can look at the Diamond 300 sales charts each month and compare that against which titles get cancelled, and come to the conclusion that – at least on the surface – Marvel does seem less tolerant of low-selling titles right out of the gates. But they’re not as far apart as one might think. If a new title isn’t selling, it’s not long for this Earth.
For example, recently cancelled Marvel titles include:
* Atlas #1 sold 22,756 copies, and declined from there
* Cable was cancelled after #24, which sold 30,132 copies
* Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth was cancelled after #13, which sold 30,677 copies
* Dr. Voodoo was canceled at #5, which sold 12,154 copies
* Spider-Woman was cancelled after #7, which sold 25,437 copies
* S.W.O.R.D. ended at #5 selling 11,259 copies
* Wolverine: Weapon X was effectively cancelled at #13, which sold 29,733 copies
* Web of Spider-Man was cancelled with issue #8, which sold 19,623 copies
Now compare that to some of DC’s recent low-selling books:
* Warlord started off with sales of 17,540 – and sales fell to below 10,000 (9,892 copies) by issue #7. But DC continued to publish this book up to Issue #18. When the series was announced for cancellation (after Issue #13), the book had sold just 8,130 copies.
* Magog started off with a respectable 26,352 copies sold, but fell to just 10,700 copies by Issue #4. Yet DC kept it alive until Issue #12, deciding to cancel the book after Issue #8 sales fell below 8,000 (7,743 copies).
* The Shield launched at just 19,088 copies and fell to 6,444 copies by the 5th issue. DC kept that book afloat until Issue #10. Similarly, The Web went from first issue sales of 19,535 to 5,809 copies by #5. It too was cancelled with Issue #10.
Q: How can Marvel (or DC) not make money off a book that sells 20,000 copies, when independent comics would kill to have those numbers?
A: This unfortunately is a case of comparing apples and oranges. While it’s true that almost any independent creator would do somersaults if their book sold 20K copies per month, that’s not the reality for the Big 2; which have an instantiated fan base and fiduciary responsibilities to their corporate parents and shareholders. Marvel and DC can put out as many books as they want in a given month, but they need to optimize their cost structure. So while they may turn a profit on a lower-selling book, the question they must continually ask themselves is…”Could we be deploying the resources devoted to this book to another project that would sell better?” It’s about INCREMENTAL MARGIN, not absolute profit. In the indie world, turning a profit is an added bonus in many cases to more intrinsic value like seeing your work in print and/or raising your profile for future projects.
Now as to the actual economics of a Marvel comic and what the “breakeven” is…that’s difficult to triangulate because most industry people are tight lipped about their financial arrangements (again, understandably so). But here are some generic issues to consider:
* Page rate for interior pencils (22+ pages x artist’s negotiated page rate)
* Page rate for inks (less than a penciler, but still # of pages x page rate)
* Page rate for colorist (see above)
* Costs of cover art (usually a higher page rate for all involved)
* Costs of variant cover art (a lot more commonplace than you may realize)
* Costs of lettering
* Costs of editorial (an editor is capacity constrained, and the costs of their salary should be spread across the number of titles they’re working on at a given time)
* Overhead costs (office space, IT, shipping, PR, sales, executive management)
* Printing costs
* Shipping costs
Now remember that comic publishers don’t get the $2.99 or $3.99 you plunk down at the store. Diamond gets its cut and the store owner gets his/her piece of the pie. A general rule of thumb is that the publisher keeps 35%-45% of the cover price. So splitting it down the middle, let’s say Marvel is capturing between $1.20 and $1.60 per issue. A $2.99 book selling 20,000 copies yields roughly $24,000 in gross revenues to Marvel. When you start checking off all the aforementioned expenses that go into putting out that book, it’s pretty easy to see that no one is getting rich off the sales of that particular book.
Q: Do publishers change creative teams sometimes because the sales require it?
A: Absolutely. Not all comic book writers and artists are created equally. You can be sure that Marvel pays Brian Michael Bendis a lot more per issue than what someone gets for their very first writing gig at the House of Ideas. Likewise, you can bet that Gary Frank commands a higher page rate than a previously unpublished penciler would who is given their first big break on a DC one-shot. As a result, the costs and expectations of an individual title vary with the creative team attached. One notable recent example of this was DC’s re-launch of The Brave & The Bold with Mark Waid and George Perez. Waid was very open about the fact that he wanted to continue on the book, but DC couldn’t justify keeping he and Perez on the project given where the sales were. That kind of thing happens all the time, especially with creators who are under exclusive contract.
Q: Why won’t Marvel and DC let new titles find an audience? It’s disconcerting to think that the sales of the first few issues seal the fate of any new project, isn’t it?
A: As a comic book fan, I share your frustration. The direct market is predicated on PRE-ordering, so one can correctly deduce that books like Dr. Voodoo and S.W.O.R.D. were cancelled after only an issue or two were on the stands. One might posit that the quality of those books were high enough that, had they been given a longer leash, word of mouth and positive reviews might have altered their course. Seinfeld was a low rated show in its first season, but was given a shot at finding its audience and the rest is history. Comics should be the same, right?
Unfortunately we aren’t dealing with how things SHOULD be but rather how things ARE. The simple (and disappointing) truth is that, with very few exceptions, comic titles do not grow audiences anymore. Sure there are exceptions like the Walking Dead and Invincible, but those are EXCEPTIONS. The average comic book loses 15%-20% of its audience from the first to second issue, and then attrition continues until, hopefully, the book levels off at a reasonable sales range. From there it’s a question of goosing sales back up every now and again through inclusion in an event or crossover (as Jeff mentions in his quote), or exclusive variant covers, or a major change in creative team, or…renumbering. But I would challenge any of you to look at the sales of mainstream Marvel and DC titles and find me a non-core book that ever shows a steady increase in sales. It just doesn’t happen. And everyone involved in the process, from the executives to the editors to the creators to the LCS owners knows it. It’s become a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts because store owners automatically adjust their orders down for each issue until their sell through matches inventory.
Q: So if it’s so hard to establish new characters and concepts, why do Marvel and DC even bother?
A: There are lots of reasons to try new things, even if the likelihood that they’ll be monster hits is hard to forecast. The most obvious answer is IP. Marvel and DC are intellectual property companies first and foremost. There is value in keeping their vast repository of characters refreshed, modernized and present within the cultural lexicon. Another more obvious reason is because it pays to do so. Marvel puts out 80-100+ titles per month. They understand that not every book is going to be a blockbuster. But so long as the marginal rate of return is above their internal threshold, putting out the book is better than not putting out the book. That $24,000 they probably made off Atlas is $24,000 they wouldn’t have had and might have otherwise ceded to DC or a smaller publisher. And last but not least, sometimes it DOES work. Atlas might not have captured the hearts and minds of enough readers, but the Young Avengers did. Runaways did. The final reason for putting out mid-list books is talent evaluation and engagement. Consider the writers associated with some of these failed titles: Jason Aaron, Paul Cornell, Matt Fraction, Kieron Gillen, Jeff Parker and Rick Remender. The lack of success on these titles was hardly a condemnation of the creators involved. The quality shone through regardless of the revenues. And that likely played a big role in Marvel and DC committing to these creators on bigger, more commercially-viable projects.
Q: How nonsensical is it that we fans are forced to pre-order books, sight unseen, months in advance in order to assure they won’t be cancelled. Does that make any sense?
A: Again, I sympathize. I know quite a few comic fans who don’t pre-order, and they get by just fine. I don’t mind pre-ordering, in fact I love it, but as we discussed a few weeks ago, that comes down to personal preference. You can criticize the direct market for requiring pre-ordering, but that doesn’t change the reality. If you really want to try to save mid-list books that you love, the best way is to pre-order them and make sure your store owners are stocking them. But WANTING to do that and feeling OBLIGATED to are very different things. You don’t owe the publishers anything. You have every right to buy what you like, in the form you like, at the time you like. Don’t let anyone tell you differently.
I have one nitpick with the logic of the question, though. Comics aren’t the only medium that asks us to pony up our money before we’ve sampled the merchandise. Movies are the same. We have to rely on word of mouth, reviews, trailers and press junkets to determine if we want to spend our $$$ at the theater. The only difference is the immediacy of the payoff (or disappointment). When you pay your $10 at the theater, you’re going to know in a few hours whether it was worth it. When pre-ordering comics your satisfaction (or disappointment) is delayed by a few months.
At the end of the day, seeing your favorite titles get the ax sucks. But rather than blame the publisher for not sticking with a book, or the store owners for not stocking mid-list titles, or your fellow fans for not liking what you like, recognize that it’s just part of the way the system works in 2010. It’s not optimal per se, but it is rational. I’ll miss Atlas. But I’ll be seeing lots more of Gabriel’s work at Marvel (he’s now an exclusive) and Jeff has Thunderbolts and Gorilla-Man and much more looming.
Well, I guess I’ll just bin my post talking about this exact topic since this comment makes it look like shit. Thanks.
And I thought I posted long posts! Yes, where IS Deemar when you need him? 😉
This guy goes on and on about DC keeping low selling comic books alive and then MISSES the OBVIOUS reason why they do it.
DC is shooting to round out Trades and Hardcovers… Looking to amortize their costs with “evergreen” sales. Marvel is obviously less concerned with that and will cancel books whenever they see fit… Hence why some Marvel collections have really strange numbers of issues in them.
Marvel doesn’t care about that type of symmetry. 4 issues in a trade instead of 5? No problem! Still sell it at the standard 5 issue trade cost! 6 issues in a hardcover instead of the standard 5? No problem! Sell it for FIVE DOLLARS MORE than the standard 4 issue HARDCOVER.
In the end, the “House of Ideas” always wins. 😉
Since D couldn’t be here,I’ll say this on his behajf; “cliffnotes, rush :-0”
Copy paste was easier than paraphrasing, sorry
hey! I couldn’t get behalf right, what do I know? 🙂
A very informative article Rush, but you should post a link to original website or at least tell everyone who wrote it, so the poor guy can get credit for his hard work =)
this was a great article
it really spoke to much of my personal fandom disappointments and questions
Thanks for posting the link to Jason’s article. Jason Wood’s articles are the highlight of that site.
np rush thanks for bringing it good stuff
did you see that guys pull list? is he a microserf?
@IronMuskrat I have post link to Jason’s other aricles in the past but I think it
got lost amongst all the other posts. So, this time I chose to copy and
paste the entire article to get his current article more attention.
Ya, but it really takes up a lot of space on here, don’t you think?
Please just post the link next time. Thanks.
Don’t worry Jose I’ll post a link next time.
That’s cool Rush, I wasn’t trying to give you a hard time or anything. I really liked the article and was just curious as to who wrote it =)
No offense taken man. 🙂 Wood’s typically writes exactly what I’m thinking.
Great article, Rush.
Man I am getting behind in my comic buying, I went to the shop today and picked up only last weeks comics because new books dont arrive at my shop until one and I had to be at work by then.
Not till 1? That fucking sucks…balls.
I remember there was a local store that didn’t their shit out to, like, 2pm or later. He also wouldn’t open the doors until he was finished sorting EVERYTHING.* You would drive by and see all of his customers wandering aimlessly around the parking lot or pressed up against the glass front doors.
Day of the Dead Comic Book Nerds!
(*That was back when a fair number of people actually purchased comics… and it is this kind of bullshit behavior from dealers like that that made me search for MAIL ORDER so I didn’t have to put up with their obnoxious asses.
Why I am happy for the internet: I am no longer land locked to local comic stores because of geographical necessity!
In all of LA, there might be ONE decent comic book store owner that is genuinely in it for the love of the medium. The rest of them are sitting there hoping Robert Downey Jr might pop in to buy some comics… Or looking to sell a screenplay to a producer. They could care less about average comic book customers.)
Don’t feel too bad man, I’m behind on mine as well and it’s going to get worse in coming weeks.
MW… Where is your shop located– Hawaii or AK? 😉
(I think some shop owner’s pissed off their UPS-man!)
Haha yea Im not sure whats going on with that. I dont normally go in on Wednesdays but I walk in today and the owner tells me that new books dont arrive till one. It sucks.
Ill probably have to make another trip down there this weekend to pick up this weeks books.
Ask him to give you a gas credit for the 2nd trip– just to see the shitty look he gets on his face.
haha yea well luckily I have to travel to that area all the time, so its not to big of a problem to stop in there again. But yea, my shop is pretty cool. However it is the only one local to me so really there is no other choice haha
Went back to the shop today to pick up this weeks books, pretty happy that I did as I was able to get some recent books that I had missed before..
Like the latest issue of Invincible and the first issue of the Spiderman and Fantastic Four mini which was great.
Also was able to get the first volume of Northlanders which I have been waiting for .
….oh and Superman 701 was really great
Before working at Dreamland I managed a different store for 10 years. About 10 minutes from that store we has a competitor who would get their comics at 3 in the afternoon while we were able to pick ours up from a drop point on Tuesdays, Needless to say that competitor didn’t last very long.
That’s the ol’ “You Get Out What You Put In” reality of life.
A lazy fucker like that needs to go work for Best Buy.
This looks interesting. But, then I’m a sucker for this period of history
Neil Marshall? Sold.
Though I thought Doomsday was kinda shit.
Ya I agree Doomsday was shitty.
“It’s a Trap!”
im rooting for the celts
I don’t mean to be puking on the free previews… But a Robert E. Howard warrior named “Cormac FitzGeoffrey”?
That sounds like a made up Billy Connolly character. 😉
Everyone should now go watch “Fido”!
I’ve already seen it…and own it. Maybe I’ll watch it again…at some point.
So do I. Yes, yuuuum. I place Carrie-Anne in the same exalted status as Famke Jansen.
I’m gonna go read Namora. 🙂 (Just got it yesterday!)
‘Nite all. Blog at ya tomorrow.
Actually, I will probably watch it again soon to satiate my Carrie-Anne Moss fix.
Ouch I know Jose is not going to like this news!
The Bat-news continues to roll in, with more clues and teases about what exactly is happening in the Batman universe in November. Here’s another piece of the puzzle, involving Mr. Tony Daniel.
It’s simple enough. Tony’s done a bang-up job as both writer and artist on the regular BATMAN series, and after a brief break thanks to the epic 700th anniversary issue and his team-up with writer Grant Morrison to bridge the gap between “Batman R.I.P.” and FINAL CRISIS, Tony Daniel will return to the title as the ongoing writer and artist. Not bad, eh? Let’s see what the man himself has to say about it.
“I am thrilled and honored to be tapped for further writing duties on the world’s most iconic super hero, Batman. I look forward to telling exciting tales with the caped crusader and exploring old and new characters alike. I will continue to put my best foot forward on each and every page.”
Taken from The Source
battle for the cowl was enough for me
has anyone been reading his ongoing? was it just as atrocious?
it just cant be that bad can it?
I guess I’m done with Batman for a while longer.
For those of you whom liked the Scott Snyder news on Detective, than you might like this:
i dont like this because this is morrisons title, were is he going to go and do? this is just an attempt to give us more freakin bat books that we do not need! they should cancel this title when grant is done with the storys he is trying to tell.
The solicit for Batman And Robin #16 made it sound like it was the last issue of the series. I think the story of Morrison was for Bruce to find out he has a son, almost look like he’s dead, than have a major run-in with a villain (Darkseid), put a new man in the cape and cowl, Damian becomes Robin, and Bruce Wayne makes an epic return as Batman. I think that was the whole story, my first reaction on this was posotive because of the awesome run they had on GLC, so I hope that this works, and at the same time, I understand your point of this being Morrison’s story Generaldark.
still morrisons batman story is the last batman story for me. I feel like there is nothing new you can do with the batman anymore and this run is a great end for me because it sums up all of batmans history and shows why he is so great. So as far as im concern i geuss i really do not care what they do anymore after morrison. To me this is batmans last story for me. Now if they plan on doing stuff with damian as future batman then i may be interested but thats a maby.
I really want to know what Damian’s future is when Bruce returns.
i think it was hinted at in batman 666.
there was a display of two batmen suites in action on dummies,(one bigger and buffer and one looked like dick graysons) and the damien robin suit next to it.
i am guessing there will be two batmen and damien as robin for a while. i really hope that future comes true in comics. somehow damien gets dick or bruce killed and sells his sole to the devil to be invincible to hunt crime all times. its a nice change for batman stuff
The way you described made it so und like it was one more day only batman style…
Yeah, I admit that that team does sound promising, but i still think the book should just end when Morrison’s run is over. I feel like DC is just keeping it going because it’s a high seller. I’ll still give it a chance though.
ELLIOTT’S “Army of Darkness: Ash Saves Obama” GN is OUT NEXT WEDNESDAY– just in time for SAN DIEGO! He sould have some fun with that next week! 🙂
I’m so there for this:
yea, im wanting to pick that up. i only found the first issue.
I’m ordering it online as we speak
Lot of Morrison talk going on… I take it most of you have probably already seen these clips, but i’ll post them anyway.
is this out yet?? i want to see it so bad!
I think it comes out later this month or next month… i think.
Why is Patrick Stewart talking about All Star Superman?
Jesus christ, i’ve done it again… Jose! I swear this time it was wordpress’s fault.
Damn you Pobra!!!
gonna see the midnight showing of inception tonight, i believe this will be my movie of the year.
next to a single man
Jose, I figured out the whole reason “Shadowland’s” Daredevil doesn’t act like “Daredevil’s” Daredevil!
Daredevil’s new costume is obviously a new symbiote like Venom which is taking over Murdock’s mind. I predict he’ll do a crazy dance number in the next issue of Shadowland.
Thanks Ballsack, now I have a reason to drink! 😛
You need a reason?
Oh yeah, right! Thanks for waking me up Jose 🙂
Pete looks like Jared Leto (?) it cracks me up that the filmmakers think that evil looks like singers from modern rock bands.
Pete looks like Jared Leto (?) it cracks me up that the filmmakers think that evil looks like singers from modern rock bands. But then again this whole movie is very “emo” rock.
Um… emo is evil.
“Daredevil’s new costume is obviously a new symbiote like Venom which is taking over Murdock’s mind.”
Why? ‘Cause ALL symbiote’s are BLACK, right?
Damn, that’s some HARDCORE racism, cballsack! 🙂
Ed Brubaker as guest DJ on KCRW in Los Angeles
VERY interesting, Rush. I’m disappointed that they only gave him 5 songs,tho. Ed did a slacker comic in the 90’s called “Lowlife”.I bet he’s got some Ramones albums in his collection.
I just finished watching rec2. Not quite as good as the first one but I liked it. Took the zombie thing in a different direction this time. Anyone else see it yet?
Oh…what’s the word I am looking for? 🙂
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
This made my day.
Westboro Baptist Chruch… Aren’t those the pieces of shit that protest the funerals of soldiers killed in battle, saying God is punishing our country for allowing homosexuality.
Man, I hate those fuckers…
You know, I have been a fan of ASM for a few years now. I started reading it right as OMD was beginning. When Joe Quesada made the whole status quo change I didn’t mind very much. But that was then, this is now. Now I’m worried that Quesada, who is an artist not a writer, is going to shake up the status quo (unnecessarily) again. I mean if there going to change the Spidey universe, shouldn’t it be an ASM writer who does it? They have Dan Slott (who is an excellent writer) Mark Waif (who wrote Kingdom Come which is a work of art) Joe Kelly ( who is a veteran writer) and at least two other writers to write the story, but is it given to them? No! It’s given to Quesada! It’s just stupid! If it was Loeb or Bendis it would at least make SOME sense, but no. It’s given to an artist who screwed up royally last time!
BTW Anyone read the latest issue of Ultimate Spider-Man? It is a copy of the chameleon story in ASM from a few months ago!
it wasn’t given to him and he didn’t earn it. He took it because he is the boss and a self indulgent ass
That’s because BRIAN BENDIS does NOT read other writer’s books… No matter how much he says he does!
Did y’all see the new pic of Green Lantern? I really hate this costume! It looks like his skin was removed and then painted green.
You got to be fucking kidding me… All they had to do was put him in the normal costume. Instead we get some kind of weird bio-organic crap and a bad haircut.
Well, it’s not as bad as Thor’s Tupperware armor….
The fact the GL costume is 100% CGI does not help either.
The vast majority of commenters on superherohype.com and comicbookmovie.com seem to love it. Am I the only one who thinks this costume looks hideous?
Jose is right, sometime CGI = Lazy, I have seen that ‘skin’ before in a movie, I just can’t put my finger on it yet.
It looks like what Gary Oldman wore in Bram Stoker’s Dracula.
hideous is giving it too much credit
It looks like a failed Tron sequel attempt from the 80’s
after finally seeing Ryan all geared up….. he really looks like he should not be G.L.
He looks tailor made for Deadpool
now if I only liked Deadpool 🙂
It’s gonna look better than that. Come on. It will. 😉
Will it though, Insideman? Will it? 🙂
No, it won’t. 😦
It will. Mr. Grumpy Pants is in sky-is-falling mode these days.
It might not. 🙂
Education Connection commercials are starting up on Adult Swim. Good times.
inception was brilliant. go see it
I gotta say, I really don’t wanna see comic about this kinda topic. Never. But its interesting to see all these unreleased titles…
Very interesting news, Mike. Doesn’t sound like the new regime is dumping Vertigo… Sounds like they are attempting to support the artistic vision.
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